Weak ending (almost every named char is dead, exept 2 - bad writers if don't know what to do with characters kill them). How exactly MC mother found her among all that wastelands, and on foot?

Epilogue are laughable - ain't it a big skip from a frozen warzone to some sort wood cabin paradise.

The idea "run away from your duties and society to build your own paradise and screw the rest of people" are over-individualistic.

What are you on about? Killing off characters is bad writing? That's a pretty shallow mindset, plot armor or ill-fitting powers are bad writing, whether characters live or die is up to the story itself, not how good it is. If you want stories where all the characters live happily ever after go back to generic fairy tales, leave the interesting plots to those of us who can appreciate them.
The epilogue shows Momo as an old women having finally found the paradise she and Fine set out to find. Obviously a lot of time and work have passed from the last pre-credit scene to the epilogue. Maybe she helped bring about that paradise with a lifetime of effort or maybe it actually did exist and she simply found it, that's up to the viewer to decide for themselves. It's a perfectly acceptable ending for a short anime.
If running from a society dead-set in its errant ways is overly-individualistic, then trying to save everyone by changing that society is severely overly-idealistic. It isn't a guidebook on how to be a good citizen, it's a story about a girl escaping a suffocating, oppressive world in which she was powerless to do anything but fall in line against her conscience. "Run away from your responsibilities" is one moral you could pull from it, but realizing that sometimes escape is the best option is another. That's the thing with stories, what you get from it might not match what I get from it, and neither of us may get what the author intended. Saying a story is bad because your interpretation of the moral is negative is pretty egocentric.
Finally, I feel like I shouldn't have to say this, but this story wasn't meant to be beginning, middle, and end of the character's life tale, it's meant to be a brief, but significant moment in that story. I mean this show takes place over what, a couple days, maybe a couple weeks, obviously the state of the world isn't going to change in such a short time. This isn't a story of a girl changing the world, it's a story of a girl living in the world.
Long comment, I know, but all too often the only comments I see down here are people shitting on shows because they don't fit their exact idea of what the perfect show should be.

1)That depends how the chars died, was the value in their fate to the story. "Everyone dies cuz author don't want to write epilogue for them, exept MC who got obligatory happy-end out of the blue" is worse, lazy level of fairy-tailness.

2)How exactly she "found" after setting out alone in the wilderness? That's If she just killed I would had less complains - bad ends have their value, especially for such egocentrically chars with her whimsical rebellion. It is fun that you defending her "happily live after" scene after your paragraph one.

3)Momo resigned from her responsibilities (all soldier take an oath before taking gun after all) to have an easy way out from her issues, in process abandoning everyone who cared about her just for personal self-satisfation. Cannot sympathize with such character. I like this story if the Momo was killed in the end, if it was more about "when you whimsically trying running into nowhere to escape the society you don't like you likely die", instead "It is good to run from your problems, responsibilities and abandon everyone because you won't face consequences for your decision and you will get an happy end in any case". I don't liked the morals of the story, that why I wrote long post criticizing this show.

4)Well, world changed in the story, due to high casualties taken by the both sides. Momo gf was pretty symbolically important to the world too.

" I like this story if momo was killed in the end." Say no more my friend say no more.

I can clearly see why you don't like this anime, which is nowhere near bad as you see it.
Your all four points rather than pointing out the flaws of the anime, they feel like the things that conflict with your thinking your principles.

They feel like you complaining how things didn't go your way, how characters didn't behave as you expected, how their beliefs were different than yours. If you want an anime like that just go and watch yourself in the mirror.

Characters are dead so the show is bad? What? This little anime was very beautiful and entertaining, I totally disagree with you.

No, it is bad because how the story was wrapped up - in the end is seems writers just raised hands, said "we don't care anymore and run out of money" then wrote quick ending episode where all named chars disposed of and MC went AWOL.
It didn't resolve the plot's overarching conflict humans vs. vampires - show simply abandoned it, giving us as a conclusion lazy 5 second long after-credits sequence with a rather out-of-place happy end.

Look , my friend just because they wrapped whole prequel in 5 seconds ot doesn't mean the prequel is bad.

I think it is totally unreasonable and stupid to say that show is bad because of the after credit scene.

I already knew what I had signed up for when I started the episode one, yet it was amazingly interesting and exciting 5 episodes.

Did you watch the whole anime just for the after - credit scene?

Well said my friend well said.

Absolutely agree. Even though the visuals are stunning and reminds me of 2000s anime that i love, i can't overlook the shitty writing and its missed opportunities, this comes from a WIT studio fan mind you. Seriously, there's an interesting premise and depictions of vampires and the world behind this show yet they sidelined it so much and focused too much on the two overly individualistic characters, to the point where these concepts of what makes the show interesting becomes inconsistent and basically ruined the whole thing.

It really is a shame because this show could've been about how humans and vampires could coexist despite their differences, about how they aren't so different, about how war is bad for both sides and how they could've end it accompanied with great worldbuilding and visuals.

Considering this comes from netflix, i'm 100% sure they had something to do with the direction of the story, including how on the outside this shit seems to pander to a certain audience. I'm really worried about the fate of anime originals now story wise if anime like this are getting produced more. It is from the same company that still has fucking 'cuties' in their platform after all.

But your way of everything being ok and both sides reconciling is possibly even worse, this is probably how it'd go down most of the time. This isn't some corny fairytale for kids to get a happy ending and call it great.

Bro they're literally OK in the end of the show, without explanation. There is no worse possible ending than that. And war ends eventually, ending with how the war ends and its results no matter how long should've been the main focus. What we got just left us unsatisfied with a lot of unanswered questions.

Who are your literature professors if I may ask? If you want a story that answers all your questions, then read a comic book. Good literature is not about naive happy endings where all your questions get answered. This story is not about humans and vampires coexisting- it's about HOW DIFFERENCES PRODUCE CONFLICT. Gods, we can't even convince anime homophobes to watch BL and anything that has LGBTQA nuances in it- how much more difficult would it be if we're thinking about two races where one treats the other like cattle. Sure, you can be friends with the pigs, the chickens, and the cows- but at the end of the day, they're nothing but pork and beef to non-vegetarians. In other words, SOME DIFFERENCES ARE IRRECONCILABLE. Maybe you guys should get more life experiences to understand something this simple.

Like some of my friends above me said " this anime isn't primarily about the war"
Again this isn't about war between vamps and humans. It is more about escaping it and like most of the anime where you go against the whole world it didn't turned out all good for both of them. It isn't like they escaped totally unscathed they fought with everything they got, with every joule of energy they had left in their atoms. , Yet they couldn't achieve their dream.

It was clear from the beginning that they were bound to failand they did fail. Fine died many on the side of vampire as well as humans died. Fine did all she could to protect Momo that is the only thing they succeed in and inturn Momo kept her promise of creating the paradise they were searching for.

What are you so unsatisfied with,
I read your comment in which you wrote " I would have been good if Momo had died "
No my friend it doesn't work that way just because you don't like the character and that character survives . The show is bad.

You are completely ignoring all the factors that kept her alive.

I’m pleased someone here is mature enough to get this story and understand it’s far deeper meanings and symbolism beyond just the surface, vampire / human war it’s set within. I could be very wrong in saying this but I feel you would make a great Eva fan if your not already? maybe you would also like and understand the Lezhin comic work “On a leash” ?

Very correct and spot on.

Bro clap for you guys essays the English 👌👌👌💀 anyways is too good , you guys should be the directors to these animes I'm sure the anime would not me disappointed you guys sure knows your shit man I hope directors can be like you guys make these animes better than just animators working hard put best animation or art and their efforts into it and the story is just messy or just as you say

Ah yes, you must be a chef to critisize a dish, you have to be a president first to critisize the president, you have to be a director first to critisize a film. What's your point here, logic like yours is peak mindless consumerism

You aren't criticizing there, you are trying to write your own story there.

speaking straight facts bro, the story became so cringe in the last 2 eps and momo was so annoying i couldnt stand her, wish she died at the end

The show isn't bad just because you hate the character and Sorry my friend but I didn't see a single scene where she was annoying.

" Wish she died at the end" tells all the story why you hate this show my friend.

aint ya friend buddy, and the show was shit to me gang

What?

nani?

I disagree some, yes I wanted them to have more time together but most people dying would definitely be the case.

The final point about the theme being over-individualistic makes no sense, unless you are just stating a fact. But given your use of "over-" I assume you are implying something negative. If you are trying to critique the way it is presented here then you lack any argumentation as of why this is anyhow a bad thing, what this series seems to propagate as its message.

Considering how every adult in this series supports the system and is an abusive retard, it does make a stark comparison to reality. The only person here who was on the abused end of the spectrum is the samurai-uncle, who was roughly the same as Momo but gave up.

So, the system are bad, ok - I can buy that story point. Vamps and humies are both not shining paragons of virtue, war shows that they differ little and the conflict became somewhat pointless bloodbath.
What's the show solution to it? Try to change system, win a war for one the sides or achieve some sort of ceasefire?
No, instead try running away somewhere to a remote lands with a person you barely know (and who most certainly racked some bodycount of your compatriots), abandoning everyone you know in a process. It's not a solution, just an egocentrically escape from a problem at best.

And the epilogue - your companion might get killed in process, but it's OK - cry a bit and forget about her, then proceed to build your own paradise with a new person from the same camp which was opposing yours (given Momo are with silver-haired kid, some other replacement vampire shagged her) .

Indeed it is a solution. For an individual, there is themselves and the world. The "others" are an addition, not incorporated into the self. What others feel the individual does not, what befalls them does not affect the individual. In nature, there is no concept of a "collective". Everything is a system comprising of individual elements and collectivism is but a philosophical concept and a constant sci-fi/fantasy trope.

Which is why there is no better option than escaping from all that is bad, if you are alone. Changing the system? Saving everyone? Decent ideals which only ever seem to work in fiction. However, in this story, if anything, their struggle is realistic. They do not identify with the groups they are a part of, neither Fine nor Momo, they are mentally exhausted and abused, one more than the other.

Why should they fight? Who says they should? Is there a rule for fighting for the better? Just like there is a rule to not be friendly to vampires, or a rule to defend your country from then? Whether to be a part of these systems or not always begins with an individual. All the adults make excuses - "I did it for you, Momo", "we do it for science and the humankind" (some of them are dumb because of writing, but most of them are legit dumb as-in in reality). These excuses they find just to continue being a part of the system. An individual, inherently has no obligation to do so. Their answer - escaping together, finding personal joy, devoid of conflict and violence - might not be the best one, but it is in no way incorrect.

As for epilogue - you are making abrasive statements on behalf of Momo. She did what both she and Fine wanted - she found/created a small paradise, where there is no violence or conflict. You also assume it is her child, which is something the series does not anyhow support. And what you promote is, ultimately, that she should still feel hatred towards vampires and, what, continue fighting for her "comrade" humans?

Two things are clear - you did not understand the series, or maybe you don't want to because you find it in opposition with your own values, on subconscious level. And the second is that you are not versed in idealism, philosophy and pacifism ideology enough.

Someday, I would like to be someone like you, You great sir.

If you were Infront of me, I would have bowed down and request you to show me the path , teach me the knowledge to become someone like you.

My huge respect and admiration towards you sir.

I guess the person couldn't refute anything and just left it alone lol.

>For an individual, there is themselves and the world. The "others" are an addition, not incorporated into the self.

Individual cannot exist alone - you will simply die when you get sick, it is too tiresome to acquire food alone, range of threats you can protect are very limited - that's why even the human primate ancestors lived in groups.
Yep, modern _society_ enabled individualistic lifestyle where person can live decent life without deep connection, but it is precisely because it is society. State redistributed responsibilities and became mediator of interpersonal relationship, but if it is gone (like during military conflicts, which stop public service) you once again will find to reorganize into closer groups or your survival chances will rapidly decrease.

>In nature, there is no concept of a "collective"

You should tell that to ants or bees, which even have social structure which have dedicated roles - like worker ants which are infertile females existing to serve the collective need.

>Which is why there is no better option than escaping from all that is bad, if you are alone.

People do not live alone - when you grow up, you do it in a collective. If you lack bonds that's likely you have some failures in education or psychological problems.

>Why should they fight? Who says they should? Is there a rule for fighting for the better? Just like there is a rule to not be friendly to vampires, or a rule to defend your country from then? Whether to be a part of these systems or not always begins with an individual.

It their responsibility for the people who raised them, for protecting their friends and other people dear to them. Most soldiers IRL fight not for some sort of high justice or just because they told by superiors but for their unit, for their friends who shared joys and hardships together.

>All the adults make excuses - "I did it for you, Momo", "we do it for science and the humankind" (some of them are dumb because of writing, but most of them are legit dumb as-in in reality). These excuses they find just to continue being a part of the system. An individual, inherently has no obligation to do so.

People have at least moral obligations to the people who raised them. It is not exactly excuses - society needs goals to aspire and bonds which tie it together, so those statements are result why the people live how they are.

>Their answer - escaping together, finding personal joy, devoid of conflict and violence - might not be the best one, but it is in no way incorrect.

That's exactly pure idealism, if you ever lived in village and worked on a farm and got a gist how actually hard manual labor. There is a reason why in-pre modern agriculture times famines was so widespread, why average lifespan even in 19 century was in 30ies, why crime rate was so high before modern police force was organized. In short, death rates before modern scientific and organization levels was very high and that's the product of society. No way we would had it not cooperated and worked individually. Truly alone and isolated person won't survive for long because human beings pretty fragile and weak so they started to be organized to survive more efficiently. As russian proverb goes "if you spit into the society it will wipe it off; if the society will spit on you, you will drown".

>As for epilogue - you are making abrasive statements on behalf of Momo. She did what both she and Fine wanted - she found/created a small paradise, where there is no violence or conflict.

Out of the blue, from the frozen wastelands by the screenwriter handwaving she was teleported to her post-credit personal paradise. Isn't it simply unsatisfactory and underwhelming? So if you don't like your society or conflict it's engaged, you should run away from it, then get your partner killed along with the bunch of other people, then you get auto-transported to your paradise? It doesn't work that way. Message simply wrong.

> And what you promote is, ultimately, that she should still feel hatred towards vampires and, what, continue fighting for her "comrade" humans?

Yes, when you got enlisted you take oath and assume your duties. To your comrades, to the people who protected you when you grew, you take the torch.

>Two things are clear - you did not understand the series, or maybe you don't want to because you find it in opposition with your own values, on subconscious level.

I agree because

>idealism, philosophy and pacifism ideology enough.

works in fiction, or for a limited number of people in high-organized societies. How your pacifism protect you if someone points gun at you? It will only will work if someone else protecting you, so it is pretty hypocritical ideology.

Just refer to my final point, you merely keep making arguments out of thin air, without even trying to reference the actual plot of the story.

Still better plot that most stuff here. Above average at least. Do not agree on 'abandoning duties' - she was sick of the world she was living in, instead of taking the easy way out (submitting/killing herself) she staid true to herself and tried to live as she has seen right. More realistic than 'let's be a hero and turn tables, make everyone happy the end'.
The only thing weird were the sudden changes in place and everyone finding accidentally everything right away.

Egoistic char, like I wrote before.

If you sick of the world rest of people try to carry on and you take an escape for yourself than maybe something wrong with you.
Ending are not realistic (spiriting away to a personal paradise), writers tried portray egocentrism as a positive trait and abandoning everyone in favor of whims (you worded it as "staid true to herself ") as a good thing.

Jus admit it my friend, that you hate this really good anime just because your ideals are different from MoMo's ideals.

Haven't watched it but I also did wonder how the mother found the mc.

It is not bad to question such things and I think it is pretty small thing considering the things that were happening there.

And even if we try to make some wild guesses there are many ways how she could have reached her after all it isn't impossible is it considering they are on a single huge frozen lake and Since Rine was injured she could have flown away really far . likewise there wouldn't be any obstacles to prevent the view of the sky in the lake , Momo's mother could easily follow her on one of their snow bike.

Exactly my thoughts!!!

Collectivism is gay

" How exactly MC's mother found her among all that waste lands, and on foot?"

Seriously that's what you are unsettled with.

My friend you watched whole 5 episodes of above average good anime and that's what you didn't like about the anime .

And " run away from duties" I would call it escaping from their imposed duties. And what do you expect Momo to achive . Even if she had stayed there she would have been eventually killed by the vampires or rotten away in those walls.

This isn't some shounen anime where MC goes through Training arc , comes back and obliterates everyone.

This is about two individuals with same Ideals who got tired of the world and tried to escape it.

>My friend you watched whole 5 episodes of above average good anime and that's what you didn't like about the anime .

It was rather crappy, only visuals I'd say was good. Totally forgot about it until notifications from you popped up.

>And " run away from duties" I would call it escaping from their imposed duties.

With this kind of logic you can justify anything. See: "release all serial killers, they just escaped from imposed laws!"

>And what do you expect Momo to achive . Even if she had stayed there she would have been eventually killed by the vampires or rotten away in those walls.

Take her duties to the end and fight like a good soldier. Or with a kind of logic "we all gonna die anyway" she's better committed suicide - at least nobody else would've was hurt by her antics.

>This isn't some shounen anime where MC goes through Training arc , comes back and obliterates everyone.

For example they could've filmed it as war drama in vampire setting instead of yet-another-juvenile-escapist-fantasy? Divergent, Hunger Games, westerners sure love filming such silly stories about idiotic rebel kids with kilometer-thick plot armor.

>This is about two individuals with same Ideals who got tired of the world and tried to escape it.

And unable even to carry the point to a decent end, instead just "woosh" - and from, cold wasteland in the epilogue MC somehow teleported to her personal paradise. Instead of fighting for their ideals 1 MC died and another one somehow spirited away to a paradise. Such a great moral - escape from things you don't like into nowhere and some sort magic still make your wishes come true. Sorry dude, I don't like "rebels without a cause" type of characters.

My friend you are being dillusionally idealistic here.

Going into war isn't like that my friend, it's much more horrible than we can imagine. Unless you are WW2 veteran which I highly doubt you are .both of us are fortunate to not have been born during those times. And that also is one reason that you don't understand Momo.

She didn't like fighting to begin with let alone killing. In the opening scene it is clear how she didn't want to kill that child vampire. And Fine also she clearly didn't want to kill anyone.

Even I know it is hard to kill anyone, how come you not know that simple thing.

You make it sound like going to war is the easiest and most righteous thing in the world .
They both wanted to run from the utterly horrible things that they were forced to do. So you saying "rebels without cause " doesn't make any sense. They do had a cause and so great that the both were willing to go to any length for their paradise.

" Sorry dude I don't like " rebels without cause" type of character" pffft....

And about the epilogue, sometimes you have to think about it yourself. I am sure you are much more capable on that than me. Cause I have seen you trying to write you own stories here .

You are capable of doing so but you can't think about an epilogue yourself.

It is crystal clear that you have conflicting ideals with Momo and you hate her for that and because of it can't appreciate this anime .

I can’t read your comments anymore without thinking you would have made a good member of the Nazi party and stayed your ground as a righteous soldier until called upon to die blindly for the motherland.

Kindest Regards:
A conscientious objector of your opinions

Someone who has no money to stream and pay for what he watches shouldn't complain like he's some genius who lost his brain cells and his allowance. I bet some people here have neither of the two (common sense and money?) so they come here imagining they know what good literature is- or what a good piece of writing is. I bet if you enrolled in a creative writing workshop, you'd get a failing grade. Because literary standards don't work like afternoon soaps or k-drama where you have cliche tropes, predictable twists, and writers who fulfill their viewers' expectations to get high ratings. The more EXPLICIT a piece of writing is, the less creative it becomes- because to be creative you must engage the reader/audience in the process of creating the story. Answering the questions of your audiences is just what lazy audiences might prefer- but really creative ones would rather sift through the metaphors and come up with an insight of their own about the story's issues, problems and AMBIGUITIES- instead of naively asking the writer to spoon-feed him/her with "instant wisdom."

I'm glad there are anime fans who are as smart as you guys, i would have vomited to think most watchers in here liked this crappy story (visuals and production aside)

That's how netflix animes work 1-2 max seasons. At least it's unique in a way I anticipated this to happen since I have watched couple of netflix anime's.

Maturity is what makes this anime good enough. No power of friend ship no unrealistic events pure story line and it's made simple. Only bad thing about it is the mc idk what makes her special being the daughter of a commander. She's weak stupid young but sharms vampires.

Don't think every named char. died. There was a sequence showing them hurt. The Uncle, his group (probably not named) , The Mother and Momo.... quite a lot of people actually. Those whom died were adversaries except Fine. Although this show presented death of hatred as an ending, it doesn't seem quite logical as to how Momo established her own town or area with vampire - human living harmoniously. However after all an anime.

Yo, did you come down to the comments on the FINAL EPISODE to say "spoilers!? WTF BRO!?"

...I hope you never design "early warning systems" for earthquakes and tsunamis

I would be 6 feet under rubble and drowning before you even considered pressing the alarm.

lmfao - that's my fault. I could've swore I clicked on the anime to read the summary. Didn't realize I was on the last episode.

How didn't you realize it?? It seems like you purposefully did it and gave a weak apology once you were called out smh. Just admit you did it on purpose to cause some problem...